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Put up or shut up.

Whippie friggen hullabaloo! Hey peers, I thought I'd open a can of worms tonite!

I just wandered into the morass of an animal rights person, who would willingly torture, kill and mutilate any human that even insnuates that those pretty animals are beyond reproach. What a friggen loonie. Sure killing for sport or fetish is wrong, but if some idjet wants to club a seal or a dozen, and some criminal but necessary governemnt profits from it and people want it (real fur does feel nice on a sultry warm shouder), what's the difference then from killing a cow for cheap leather or a soldier for cheap oil.

Yes, I am a member of the most cruel, ignorant and selfish society known to this planet since the dawn of time. What, maybe then I am a mean person because I find it all disgusting, but, also realist who thinks letting a steam-roller roll over me to protest some Palestinian housing or starve myself because little piggies are being bled out before being decapitated before becomming my bacon in the morning, is an even worse waste of time? Or what?

I think if more people worried about their own lives and spent less time whining about some dipshit cause in Timbucktoo that we'd all be better off - more prepered for self defense, survival and for life and the protection of our loved ones. Of course seals will always be clubbed, clueless bimboes will end up as headless torsoes in a marsh somewhere and someone's god will disasppoint them, and still, some loser will find solace in a television show or a mangy pet, but at least I will be comfortable, for I know what I want, grasp for what I need, and make the best of it...

I don't know, maybe thats not me truly, but I just hate being told and expected to understand someone's opinion that is both contradictory and counterproductive to the good of society. If this was a perfect world, or there was great harm being done to many, yea sure, protest, but those Merikken Taliban idiots that want to ban abortions and make us follow their Baptist Allah, or those that support indescriminate death of dumb-fux who "die for their country", or tell me that I am not allowed to be me, a consenting adult who along with other consenting adults, behind the walls of our private residence, choose to indulge in the pleasures of the mind and body, or that I must support greed, curruption and styoopidity becaust it's "my flag"? No, sorry.

I'll watch as the new Rome collapses to an Islamic wasteland as the preachers and mullahs send their minions to battle as the trumpets of Meggido wail. Me the beautiful f*cked up man, may even be listening to Sarah and sipping a beer as the stars slowly go out, one by one. Hopefully, however, I'll have someone to hold on to as we slowly drift away...

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I was going to espouse more on the solace of not having like minds to challenge my comcept of the athiestic YHWH, and with the wife and kid off to some sporting event (ha, ain't that a switch, a man at home while the family goes to a game!) I was going to put some thought into this, but I guess I needed to blow off some steam on this above brew-haha. Speaking of that I think it's time for another brew and some Thin Mints...

To all thanks, to those I have offended, sorry, but that's the real world, and to those I have not yet encountered, please think before whining.

Inshalla!

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typesbad
Mar. 5th, 2006 04:05 am (UTC)
your english is killing my brain.

lol. I like how you say "but I just hate being told and expected to understand someone's opinion that is both contradictory and counterproductive to the good of society" because that's what I thought when I read this post.

I don't know how I feel about the issue. all I know of it is that Paul McCartney argued with a Canadian on Larry King Live. I guess by not eating meat I do worry about the little piggies that become your bacon in the morning.

but I believe if people are "worrying more about their own lives" it is just as counterproductive to society as a whole. to be concerned only with the welfare of yourself and your loved-ones isn't a good survival skill itself, anthropologically speaking.

anyway, I'm not sure where you wanted to go with this, because it's pretty messy. praise be to simply stated arguments.

so I can't comment much. I haven't heard much on this issue, but I assumed it was being dealt with by organizations made specifically for these causes. ie, people sticking to what is in their experience and skill or whatnot. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

if it's a problem with overbroadcasting the issue it doesn't mean that's the nation's priority, it means there's something else to talk about other than Iraq and the media is grabbing the opportunity.

but now I'm getting to the point of wordy banter.
bordendazed
Mar. 5th, 2006 04:19 pm (UTC)
Yea I know I was sort of multitasking last nite... But I appreciate your comments. Thanks. Going to add you as a friend because I appreciate you honesty,and you have a bit of a thing for the Russian/Soviet/Tsarist history. Something so near and dear to my heart, and yet so far away, that I just imagine to myself what it could be like.

typesbad
Mar. 5th, 2006 04:52 pm (UTC)
вы говорите по-русский? or just an american russophile like myself?
bordendazed
Mar. 5th, 2006 05:02 pm (UTC)
Только через http://babelfish.altavista.com /, и смутные вспоминания родителей моего отца.

Oh how I wanted to see the "Old Country", but a human mistake in the mid 1980's ruined the planned trip to the Carpathians.
typesbad
Mar. 5th, 2006 04:10 am (UTC)
also, to that cow/seal comparison, I think it is stirring so many feathers because of the cow>seal consumption. isn't the seal clubbing an annual festivity or something of the sort? if these were Inuits that regularly harvested seals for their various uses then yes, pressuring them to stop would be ridiculous.
anchovie
Mar. 5th, 2006 12:34 pm (UTC)
Ah, that's the problem with the global consciousness. You can, as a Westerner, switch the rest of the world off and put it in the recycling bin, and you don't even have to go to a log cabin in the wilderness. I'm glad you are comfortable but I'm sorry that your feelings of comfort don't clash awkwardly with the discomfort of others.
bordendazed
Mar. 5th, 2006 04:23 pm (UTC)
Good point. But alas, I am of the mindset of us Imperialist Americans. In all sincerity I wish I could be more worldly, butthen again I guess it's just the way it is.

But I do appreciate the Western concept that if you live in a trashheap in some Indochina slum, or drink cow pee on the deserts of Africa for water, that maybe both staying where I am and breeding are both rather dumb ideas.
anchovie
Mar. 5th, 2006 04:27 pm (UTC)
If you're poor, you shouldn't have or want to have children. Is that what you just said? In all sincerity I wish they could be more sterile, butthen again I guess it's just the way it is.
bordendazed
Mar. 5th, 2006 04:41 pm (UTC)
Well, they should evaluate the options and the environment - one id an acceptible experiment, two an honest mistake, but as in a Capatialist/Socailist Welface slum or an African desert, three is just dumb.

Aonther suprise comment, (thanks) and as a totally typical American male, I am going to add you - only so I can imagine your abfab accent, your elegant and dignified poise, and so I can occasionally encounter someone who may not think like me, but, who thinks. A rarity among us all. Greetings from the former Colonies.
anchovie
Mar. 5th, 2006 04:44 pm (UTC)
No, don't you see, you're being purely ridiculous!! I don't think any human being on this planet who rationalises the advantages and disadvantages of their potential family can ever really connect those calculations with the reality of actually having and caring for children. I hope you're saying this more than a little tongue-in-cheek to psych out this liberal upstart.
bordendazed
Mar. 5th, 2006 05:13 pm (UTC)
Ok, pause a minute. In sincerity.

As a parent, and one who has lived both grovelling independance as well as in the cornucopia of American sloth, I believe that having children is a choice.

Even where birth control is ignored or forbidden, I think (any studies to the contrary?) that humans realize the connection between sex and procreation. I also think that humans know that children can compete for the available resources, and thus limit both their (the children's) growth and those of their families'.

Therefore, if one is in a challenged environment, the instinctive (need I say animalistic?) sense of communal preservation and self protection should/would provide enough dis-incentive to those so inclined to NOT want to add further unknowns to the situation.

Is that a logical and rational thought? (Now whether it is practical and practiced is not the issue here - I am looking at my perception, not the worldview.)

Elitist, maybe, but I know what I would NOT do if I was placed somewhere in old dusty Biafra tomorrow!
anchovie
Mar. 5th, 2006 05:49 pm (UTC)
You can only speak for your own time & place. The need to procreate is arguably only as rational as self-interest.
bordendazed
Mar. 6th, 2006 12:03 am (UTC)
Fails to see the immediate literal point of this reply, but it's also one for me to ruminate on...
verbenamo
Mar. 5th, 2006 06:00 pm (UTC)
Ah, (sorry to jump into a strain) but in developing countries, your only safety net as you get older is to have a lot of children. Odds are, if you have five or six, at least three will live to adulthood. That's three more hands on the fields (which are too big to be run by you and your theorhetical wife), and gives you better chances that one of those rugrats will not hate you too much as you get older and will take care of you. They don't have social security you know.

Now, to be a little snarky. When you say [they would kill] "any human that even insnuates that those pretty animals are beyond reproach"... you are saying activists get mad when people say animals are infallible. Beyond reproach means above criticism. I don't think that's what you meant.

I myself am an "animal rights person," but I don't want to torture anybody. I also don't want people to torture animals. And then, seeing as I'm a godless heathen, I really see no difference between people-meat and animal-meat. Meats of various kinds serve purposes on the planet. If somebody's a sicko, I have no more respect for their meat to exist because they are detrimental to society. The amount of pollution that the meat we eat produces in the US is also detrimental. I would kill all the cows and pigs in a heartbeat if they would cease to make more all the time. It's all about the bigger picture. For me anyways. For you, apparently, it's about isolating the smaller picture and hoping that you never have to see how it's connected to the larger. Which honestly baffles me.
bordendazed
Mar. 6th, 2006 12:01 am (UTC)
I am aware of the agriarian "Little House on the Prairie" as well as even more backwardfacing pre-industrial revolution need for progeny. But this is not the 1800's. Even in the remotest parts of the planet, there are TV sets. IMHO most farming is done at the sharecropper level, or at least communally in isolated villages, for sustainability of the village, not really for commerce. Regardless, I give you that one, and will recenter. Those with TV, and hydrocarbon based energy; "enlightened" ones - the consumers the users and the abusers.

"animals are beyond reproach" ah yes, beyond censure, not to be criticized true... I'll give that also, but in a roundabout way, that person's opinion of the prefection of their aminmals justifies their presecution of those that don't agree - oh whatever - it was a colloquial usage - sorry.

I was commenting on those ______ (insert cause here) "rights" people that DO cause harm to those that don't foll their dogma (or catma as is sometimes the case). You intelligent Ghandi-like people are excluded from my rantings!

Yes we are all just meat, and that's sort of the point.

I care about the big picture, but as one who's also nearing the end of my lifespan, do focus on the small picture. I rarely stand for hopeless causes or even justifiable ones if I feel it's going to make my remaining life more difficult. That's the job for all you [generic eljay] kids to do.

But I appreciate your reply, and appreciate the chance to think on this a bit more.
verbenamo
Mar. 6th, 2006 03:07 pm (UTC)
Ah. I gotta keep hope. And hopeless causes. They make the quality of my life much better to believe things might improve :]
virtuallyverbal
Mar. 5th, 2006 03:49 pm (UTC)
you did pick an extremely appropriate username for your live journal, i'll give ya that.
bordendazed
Mar. 5th, 2006 04:28 pm (UTC)
Nothing like being numbed to the point of stupification, eh?

Thanks for the comment, and thanks for being a muse. I may not be one to feed the starving artists, but I value and appreciate those that share their minds in the various sensual realms. An intangible thanks from a generic admirer.

virtuallyverbal
Mar. 5th, 2006 11:05 pm (UTC)
hmm...yes, i've noticed that no one feeds the starving artists. if only admiration was a form of currency...

perhaps that is the difference between a generic admirer and a brand-name one.

well, keep fighting the good fight, or not fighting it i guess.
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